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Top DNN Ecommerce Modules

Posted by Tom on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 to DotNetNuke, Ecommerce, SEO

Sorry, I know this is mean, but the above title is pure search engine bait to help jump-start a discussion on the topic of running a shopping cart in DotNetNuke.

In my humble opinion, DNN and ecommerce is still a marriage made in hell.

Major players such as CATALooK.netStore and Portal Store are plagued by complex install and upgrade procedures, poor documentation and lackluster support. I like to argue that none of the currently available shopping cart modules enable you to professionally run an online store even if you only offer a handful of products.

The prevalent problem I see is that all of these solutions have been architected by programmers instead of marketers. While these modules may function as advertised, shoppers are confronted with lengthy checkout processes and a subpar user experience overall. For instance after adding an item to your card, by default CATALooK refreshes the page instead of showing the contents of the cart on a separate page. Usability shortcomings like these cause a great number of abandoned carts and have a direct impact on the bottom line of the store. Further problems arise due to the ignorance towards search engines. Portal Store has improved in this area, whereas CATALook is still totally oblivious to Google and company.

There is light at the end of the tunnel though. AspDotNetStorefront is currently working on an implementation for DotNetNuke. From our experience, ASPDNSF is a flexible and feature-rich shopping cart on all fronts. If things come together as planned, this combination of ASPDNSF and DNN should finally deliver the marriage in heaven we’ve all been waiting for.


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Comment By Rob on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 at 7:27 PM

The "programmers instead of marketers" problem plagues my every step with DNN and its related components. Funny (and pleasant)to finally see someone else mention it.

Comment By Tom Kraak on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Yes Rob, hopefully we'll get more marketers into the mix soon.

Comment By BrianJ on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 1:33 PM

What about http://www.emerald-solutions.co.uk/WebWarehouse.aspx

Comment By Tom Kraak on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Thanks Brian. I was not aware of Emerald Solutions. I'll take a look.

Comment By Rob on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Webwarehouse is the revised DNN store project that was given back to the community a while ago. There's a deailed thread in the Store forum on it. I feel the better alternative for that level of cart right now is to wait for the new core release. It's not far off.

Comment By Marvin Kane on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Speaking of the new core release, it looks as though the core store module is available for download. Tom, any thoughts on this module? Does it address the marketing problems you referred to earlier? Is it worth using?

Comment By Tom Kraak on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM

I have not been able to look at the latest release of the store project yet, but hope to do so in the next week or so.

Comment By Rob on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 6:32 AM

And to update this thread a little further.. Emerald turned out to be developing a commercial version of their module and that was looking excellent in the first RC, but is now back in development after much feedback. Another new one turned up in the announcement forums recently under the name Ali Commerce or similar. That is also undergoing a lot of additional devlopment after much forum feedback. Both of these lower mid-range carts look very promising I think.

Comment By Tom Kraak on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 9:01 AM

Thanks for these additions Rob. I've seen them announced myself and they do deserve a closer look.

Comment By Jeff on Sunday, October 07, 2007 at 11:16 PM

The Core store module is showing signs of promise and may very well be released within the next month. If you know of the release tracker on DNN, check it out. It has also been recently blogged on DNN showing some feature comparisons. All this said, it still won't be a robust ecommerce solution but well suited for entrepeneurs, personal websites, and perhaps small businesses.

Comment By Tom Kraak on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 at 11:19 AM

Thanks for the update Jeff.

I've read Will's latest post over at the DNN blog and I'm looking forward to what the new "core store" team came up with.

Comment By AliCommerce on Monday, November 05, 2007 at 7:02 PM

Thank rob for mentioning us here. We released Alicommerce 1.0 final a couple of weeks ago. Please take a look at it and let us know what you think. Here is url:
www.alicommerce.com

Thanks,

Frank

Comment By Rob on Monday, November 05, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Hi Frank, It has certainly turned out to be an excellent product from what I've seen, and I was was very much looking forward to its release, but I'm afraid that the final pricing and feature structure effectively killed it as an option for my services. I do however think it's probably the best cart out for people who are building one-off mid-range carts. I'll detail my own service scenario to you in an email if you think you might be able to offer further pricing variations in future.
Also, a note about the Emerald cart for everyone reading the thread.. after a good release candidate and loads of feedback provided, it went awol.. I don't know where or why, but it's a shame because it was looking like a very good low to mid range cart.

Comment By AliCommerce on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Rob, I'd like to know your option on pricing. Please contact me at fwang@alicommerce.com. Many thanks, Frank

Comment By Tom Kraak on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 at 9:31 PM

After talking to my good friend Mitchel Sellers here at OpenForce 07, I recommened AliCommerce to a client and will implement it in the next week or so.

Keep an eye on this blog for a review of the module.

Comment By Jeff on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Just an update that I'm sure everyone is aware of. The DNN Core Store module has been released for a few weeks now. One of the most interesting aspects of the new release is the flexability of skinning. Although it still has it's querks and is by no means a strong e-commerce candidate, it is well suited for starter sites and a good intro for small biz websites as previously stated.

Comment By Luca on Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 3:12 AM

A very good e-commerce for DotNetNuke (DNN) is SDN Store, easy to set up and not expensive at all, you can find it at: http://www.sysdatanet.com . It has an excellent Guided Tour: http://www.sysdatanet.com/sysdatanet/dotnetnuke/GuidedTour/Default.aspx with a very popular forum: http://www.sysdatanet.com/forum where they reply almost instatntly. Most of the features are already built, however they can always add new ones for you, including installation and configuration at very competitive prices.

Comment By Emerald Solutions on Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

For those wondering we (Emerald Solutions) have now released eTailer, which is the new ecommerce module refrred to above.

It's available for purchase from our site (where there is also a full demo). Take a look and give your thoughts - all feedback is welcome.

http://www.emerald-solutions.co.uk/etailer.aspx

Comment By Tom Kraak on Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Since all eTailer products live on one page (URL), how do you ensure that your catalog get's spidered and indexed by Google and company?

Comment By Anthony on Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 12:29 PM

If you are looking for AspDotNetStorefront please friends look somewhere else, is the worst support we ever had in the live of our company and make us lost a lot of money... we are looking for another dnn solutions like the ones mentioned here but AspDotNetStorefront definitively is NOT an option!

Comment By Truthstone on Saturday, October 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Ok, this thread is now 1 year old. So what is the consensus? Which one is the best DNN e-commerce solution available? (We will need the source code either way)

Comment By Tom Kraak on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Since I still have not been able to publish my review of ASPDNSF, I’ll give you my bottom line here.

My initial excitement and public support for ASPDNSF has taken some heavy beating lately as I’ve consulted on several real-world implementations of the cart.

Mostly due to the lack of good documentation, you’ll need a comprehensive understanding of DNN and ASPDNSF to make them play nicely together. Integration shortcuts such as separate user profiles make for a lousy user experience. While numerous bugs have been addressed through module updates and patches, advertised key-features such as “Is a DNN Role” and proper PayPal integration are still not working. Ecommerce will never be “easy,” but there is definitely room for improvement here.

Once the setup and configuration pain has passed, it surely is a feature-rich and flexible platform. And to give credit where credit is due, my support calls to the ASPDNSF team have always been answered in a timely and thorough manner.

So what’s the verdict? The only alternative in my mind is AliCommerce, but so far I’ve only dabbled in it and therefore can’t really compare the two. For now I’ll stick with ASPDNSF. What about you?

Comment By Steve on Friday, October 31, 2008 at 1:48 PM

This is a great discussion. I am blown away by the fact that DNN is so great but there seems to be a missing component in eCommerce. Why can't someone create a package as sophisticated as Magento? When I see this system, it makes me want to give up on the MS world and go back to the Linux world.

Comment By mark Stevens on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 at 4:46 PM

we're only sticking with ASPDNSF because we're basically stuck. they are another great example of programmers who could use a marketer. Their condescending geek speak for support is hardly helpful and the fact that there is no phone or chat support makes paying for the support package almost worthless. sure it's feature rich, but it's not user friendly on the admin or end user side. Expect endless headaches unless you are an expert programmer...and if that's you, write your own cart.

Comment By Rob on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 at 8:44 PM

I'm 3 years into DNN now and am still using PHP carts for ecommerce. It was great to see a flurry of cart module activity this past year, but the net result is that there is still no cart option in my DNN system. If eTailer was visible to Google I'd be using that for something small, and if AliCommerce had a workable and reliable license I'd possibly use that.

Comment By Dwayne on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I bought ASPDNSF 20 months ago for three reasons: DotNetNuke, DotNetNuke Marketplace and VISA PAPB compliance. To this day, I have not been able to get ASPDNSF working properly or reliably even with the source code. It is just one problem after another.

Condescending tech support is an understatement. Just read the forums to see the attitudes of the ASPDNSF staff. I have never seen so much finger pointing by any support team.

Yesterday I posted an issue and was told to issue a support ticket. I did so and discovered my forum thread was deleted within hours. It exposed a flaw with DNN integration with a security related side effect. In my support ticket I explained how to reproduce the disclosure in simple steps only to be told not to do so.

The staff really need to lighten up and understand the people who are attempting to use their product are trying to help them as well.

Do not be teased by the marketing efforts either. You will not find DotNetNuke or DNN in any testimonial on the DNN marketplace. From what I have gathered from the forums I can only find a handful of live ML/DNN sites other than marketplace.dotenetnuke.com (Note that the product review feature on marketplace does not seem to work.)

Announced September 26, 2006
http://www.dotnetnuke.com/News/MediaReleases/AspDotNetStorefrontforDotNetNukeMarketplace/tabid/993/Default.aspx

As of today, the most current version of ASPDNSF (7.1.0.1) simply does not work with any version DotNetNuke.

Comment By Robert Anderson on Friday, November 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Contact our support. comments here don't seem to match our own feedback, but we'll dig into it. Also this site is a perfect, world-class example of e-commerce running just fine on ML/DNN: http://www.zonediet.com

VERY nicely done site...

Comment By Dan Van Kuren on Friday, November 14, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Agreed. This is not typical behavior. Our support team is made up of highly qualified individuals who take a lot of pride in their work, and work very dilligently to get issued resolved in a timely fashion (well above industry standard). Regarding the application not workiing in any version of DNN, that is incorrect, unless you have some kind of third party module that is interfering with the installation. We've probably installed 7.1.0.1 internally 20 times this week ourselves, and have many customers running that release successfully.

Comment By erik on Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Has anyone integrated the non dnn module version of ADNSF into dnn via some SSO method? The DNN module looks like it's full of holes and the demo here is awfull.
dnndemo.aspdotnetstorefront.com

Comment By Tom Kraak on Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:05 PM

@ Erik - not that I know of. What issues did you have with dnndemo.aspdotnetstorefront.com?

Comment By David Lee on Saturday, December 20, 2008 at 3:50 AM

NevoWeb has just released their e-commerce solution as open source. We've tried to make it as friendly as possible,but the problems of making complicated software simple always prove to be difficult. But NB_Store is free and you can use it as you like.

You can find it at:

http://www.codeplex.com/NBStore

Comment By Rob on Saturday, December 20, 2008 at 4:21 AM

I can't wait to test your store and give you feedback David. It looks like it'll nicely fill the gap that eTailer very nearly did. I'll have to wait until January at this point though.

Comment By Tom Kraak on Saturday, December 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM

@ David Lee -- thanks for making a note here. I'll take a look myself.

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